Comments on: Mungiki http://www.kenyanpundit.com/2008/04/15/mungiki/ Opinions, commentary, na kadhalika Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:17:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Mentalacrobatics » Mungiki and hypocrisy http://www.kenyanpundit.com/2008/04/15/mungiki/#comment-88269 Mentalacrobatics » Mungiki and hypocrisy Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:01:25 +0000 http://www.kenyanpundit.com/?p=483#comment-88269 [...] has been around for a while (for some background information please read Kenyan Pundit’s post which links articles on Mungiki) and the group has been influential for a while. For example you [...] [...] has been around for a while (for some background information please read Kenyan Pundit’s post which links articles on Mungiki) and the group has been influential for a while. For example you [...]

]]> By: Anon http://www.kenyanpundit.com/2008/04/15/mungiki/#comment-88239 Anon Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:22:17 +0000 http://www.kenyanpundit.com/?p=483#comment-88239 Ory, yet again I applaud you for having the guts to bring these issues to the fore front. These conversations are difficult to digest yet NECESSARY for us to move forward as it were. I am no scholar by any stretch of the imagination however I dabble here and there with history/anthropology/politics. I don't want to put a damper on your efforts but please take this purely as a suggestion. In reaching back at our collective past (a process referred to as SANKOFA in the Akan tradition) it has helped me to follow trends and fads (and by follow I mean BE AWARE OF not get consumed by it). The issue of ancestral rights with regards to choosing a religion or right to land is not a new phenomenon. Cases such as Rwanda, N. Uganda, Sudan just in our East Africa Region sum it up well. Now we have similar situations from a spiritual/ancestral perspective happening in Colombia South America http://www.tradeandwar.org/ and yet another Ugandan issue http://www.petitiononline.com/ADNAGU/petition.html this kind of falls in step with the Saboat Defense and/or Mungiki; they are approaching their governments and trying to negotiate BEFORE the stand off gets out of hand and spirals into violence. If these negotiations are not brought out to the general public/community to have a say in the outcome of their destiny. These groups are willing to stay put at any cost yet the governments’ in question want to use the land for economic gains without the peoples’ blessings and without sharing the “wealth” this has been going on for Centuries in Africa, Latin America, Asia and the Caribbean!!! Even before the Europeans, there were the Arab elite traders and greedy chiefs who wanted to satisfy their own personal agendas. However, there are more cases that are not in main stream media that we may or may not have heard about. So as you delve deeper into your research please: • Identify good sources because from a spiritual/non-academic perspective there are those who can misinterpret info to utilize it as propaganda. Please note that from a spiritual perspective as this information is SACRED and can’t be shared and/or may be too complex to be put down on paper (hence the early European anthropologists doing a shoddy job and lumping up different ethnic groups into one category when that was not the case) • Groups popping up WORLDWIDE seeking autonomy much like Europe did during the WWI & WWII may have alterior motives. We don’t want to end up with Kony’s of the LRA on our hand who pillage their own people at any cost! • Many of these indigenous communities HONESTLY don’t want to be part of the economic system; they just want to be left in peace and not disturbed aware that they can sustain themselves without government “assistance”. They feel that their lives were better off when they didn’t have to wait for a centralized government system to provide, food, shelter, water etc. Basically they had better Human Rights under non-centralized governments with religious freedoms. • Beware that in densely populated areas of urban centers that have been in existence for several years that have their own mechanism of commerce and territorial e.g the Favela’s of Rio (watch Favela Rising if you can) or Eastleigh (Somali/Ethiopian) Kibera (Peoples from the Nubia region) where a lot of communities were “resettled” in by former colonial powers and have for a long time been ostracized by the government. These communities often include their militia VERY FEW compared to the total population of women, children and old people. GOOD LUCK IN YOUR RESEARCH!!!!! Your journey in search of the Truth and Light will be VERY fruitful for you:) PEACE Ory, yet again I applaud you for having the guts to bring these issues to the fore front. These conversations are difficult to digest yet NECESSARY for us to move forward as it were. I am no scholar by any stretch of the imagination however I dabble here and there with history/anthropology/politics. I don’t want to put a damper on your efforts but please take this purely as a suggestion. In reaching back at our collective past (a process referred to as SANKOFA in the Akan tradition) it has helped me to follow trends and fads (and by follow I mean BE AWARE OF not get consumed by it). The issue of ancestral rights with regards to choosing a religion or right to land is not a new phenomenon. Cases such as Rwanda, N. Uganda, Sudan just in our East Africa Region sum it up well.
Now we have similar situations from a spiritual/ancestral perspective happening in Colombia South America http://www.tradeandwar.org/ and yet another Ugandan issue http://www.petitiononline.com/ADNAGU/petition.html this kind of falls in step with the Saboat Defense and/or Mungiki; they are approaching their governments and trying to negotiate BEFORE the stand off gets out of hand and spirals into violence. If these negotiations are not brought out to the general public/community to have a say in the outcome of their destiny. These groups are willing to stay put at any cost yet the governments’ in question want to use the land for economic gains without the peoples’ blessings and without sharing the “wealth” this has been going on for Centuries in Africa, Latin America, Asia and the Caribbean!!! Even before the Europeans, there were the Arab elite traders and greedy chiefs who wanted to satisfy their own personal agendas. However, there are more cases that are not in main stream media that we may or may not have heard about. So as you delve deeper into your research please:
• Identify good sources because from a spiritual/non-academic perspective there are those who can misinterpret info to utilize it as propaganda. Please note that from a spiritual perspective as this information is SACRED and can’t be shared and/or may be too complex to be put down on paper (hence the early European anthropologists doing a shoddy job and lumping up different ethnic groups into one category when that was not the case)
• Groups popping up WORLDWIDE seeking autonomy much like Europe did during the WWI & WWII may have alterior motives. We don’t want to end up with Kony’s of the LRA on our hand who pillage their own people at any cost!
• Many of these indigenous communities HONESTLY don’t want to be part of the economic system; they just want to be left in peace and not disturbed aware that they can sustain themselves without government “assistance”. They feel that their lives were better off when they didn’t have to wait for a centralized government system to provide, food, shelter, water etc. Basically they had better Human Rights under non-centralized governments with religious freedoms.
• Beware that in densely populated areas of urban centers that have been in existence for several years that have their own mechanism of commerce and territorial e.g the Favela’s of Rio (watch Favela Rising if you can) or Eastleigh (Somali/Ethiopian) Kibera (Peoples from the Nubia region) where a lot of communities were “resettled” in by former colonial powers and have for a long time been ostracized by the government. These communities often include their militia VERY FEW compared to the total population of women, children and old people.

GOOD LUCK IN YOUR RESEARCH!!!!!

Your journey in search of the Truth and Light will be VERY fruitful for you:)

PEACE

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