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		<title>By: cheap edhardy bikini</title>
		<link>http://www.kenyanpundit.com/2007/12/04/zuma-for-president/comment-page-1/#comment-123001</link>
		<dc:creator>cheap edhardy bikini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 08:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the submit, i appreciated reading through it. I don’t agree with it all but it was a nice submit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the submit, i appreciated reading through it. I don’t agree with it all but it was a nice submit.</p>
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		<title>By: cloudromance.com</title>
		<link>http://www.kenyanpundit.com/2007/12/04/zuma-for-president/comment-page-1/#comment-110072</link>
		<dc:creator>cloudromance.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>um</description>
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		<title>By: interior designers toronto</title>
		<link>http://www.kenyanpundit.com/2007/12/04/zuma-for-president/comment-page-1/#comment-106237</link>
		<dc:creator>interior designers toronto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 23:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got interviewed by Dave from Fox for on Cyber Monday shopping. Look for it tonight I think. Good thing I had on my Sunday best. : /</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got interviewed by Dave from Fox for on Cyber Monday shopping. Look for it tonight I think. Good thing I had on my Sunday best. : /</p>
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		<title>By: sam dc</title>
		<link>http://www.kenyanpundit.com/2007/12/04/zuma-for-president/comment-page-1/#comment-92834</link>
		<dc:creator>sam dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ory, I believe you know better than most of us who are not in S.A , but my understanding from friends who studied and now work there, many S.African blacks don&#039;t take it lightly at all, when any foreigner comments openly on thier political leaders.

Again, this is my understanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ory, I believe you know better than most of us who are not in S.A , but my understanding from friends who studied and now work there, many S.African blacks don&#8217;t take it lightly at all, when any foreigner comments openly on thier political leaders.</p>
<p>Again, this is my understanding.</p>
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		<title>By: emmo opoti</title>
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		<dc:creator>emmo opoti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sijui, that was supposed to be a :twisted:  emoticon not the word twisted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sijui, that was supposed to be a <img src='http://www.kenyanpundit.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif' alt=':twisted:' class='wp-smiley' />   emoticon not the word twisted.</p>
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		<title>By: emmo opoti</title>
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		<dc:creator>emmo opoti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sijui,
Stalking you now:twisted:

There are indeed many similarities between Zuma and Raila. I have not heard many of Zuma&#039;s plans, but I hope he knows something about delegation having himself served in executive positions before. His lack of education only becomes relevant if he takes his own counsel and elects to ignore the advice of those who know better than he does.
This is also the great danger with Raila, and I&#039;d be pleased to know from Sijui what informs his optimism on an ODM government. Most of the ideas they announce in their manifesto and other proposals are truly ridiculous, and I find it hard to believe that Nyong&#039;o spawned them. I am also worried by such statements as the one he made on Kenya Airways and Miraa. People, even Presidents, need to know their place. This is the danger with the fantasies about Lee Kwan Yew and Dr Mohammed, not everyone can fit in such shoes. Raila definitely cannot.  Change will come from a culture of service and a holding to account, from from educated or nice:???: leaders.

Now, with regard to institutions, both in Kenya and abroad, the danger has always been that when a party or a candidate is too powerful, no institutions can stand in their way.  A skilful grassroots politician like George Bush, Zuma or Raila can appeal to the people whether indirectly or directly for permission to walk all over such institutions. George Bush obviously is the best example of this, but the examples of Thatcher, Kohl and even Mahathir Mohammed show that institutions are like putty in a strong leaders hands.  In fact, crises only serve to strengthen such a leader&#039;s grip, again GWB after 9/11, or Dr Mohammed during the Asian Financial Crisis.

South Africa will likely go the Zimbabwe route, i.e. forced land repatriation. It is unavoidable if they stick to their present policies that reward a black middle class and further enervate the rural poor. They should try borrow a leaf from Kibaki, or from the Swynnerton Plan. The ANC&#039;s Freedom Charter does not indicate a natural inclination to do this, so it is not likely that they will see the iceberg, not until it is too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sijui,<br />
Stalking you now:twisted:</p>
<p>There are indeed many similarities between Zuma and Raila. I have not heard many of Zuma&#8217;s plans, but I hope he knows something about delegation having himself served in executive positions before. His lack of education only becomes relevant if he takes his own counsel and elects to ignore the advice of those who know better than he does.<br />
This is also the great danger with Raila, and I&#8217;d be pleased to know from Sijui what informs his optimism on an ODM government. Most of the ideas they announce in their manifesto and other proposals are truly ridiculous, and I find it hard to believe that Nyong&#8217;o spawned them. I am also worried by such statements as the one he made on Kenya Airways and Miraa. People, even Presidents, need to know their place. This is the danger with the fantasies about Lee Kwan Yew and Dr Mohammed, not everyone can fit in such shoes. Raila definitely cannot.  Change will come from a culture of service and a holding to account, from from educated or nice:???: leaders.</p>
<p>Now, with regard to institutions, both in Kenya and abroad, the danger has always been that when a party or a candidate is too powerful, no institutions can stand in their way.  A skilful grassroots politician like George Bush, Zuma or Raila can appeal to the people whether indirectly or directly for permission to walk all over such institutions. George Bush obviously is the best example of this, but the examples of Thatcher, Kohl and even Mahathir Mohammed show that institutions are like putty in a strong leaders hands.  In fact, crises only serve to strengthen such a leader&#8217;s grip, again GWB after 9/11, or Dr Mohammed during the Asian Financial Crisis.</p>
<p>South Africa will likely go the Zimbabwe route, i.e. forced land repatriation. It is unavoidable if they stick to their present policies that reward a black middle class and further enervate the rural poor. They should try borrow a leaf from Kibaki, or from the Swynnerton Plan. The ANC&#8217;s Freedom Charter does not indicate a natural inclination to do this, so it is not likely that they will see the iceberg, not until it is too late.</p>
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		<title>By: Osas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Osas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, KOPP. 
Slaves will get the liidaahsheep they deserve. Yoke and whip.

OSas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, KOPP.<br />
Slaves will get the liidaahsheep they deserve. Yoke and whip.</p>
<p>OSas</p>
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		<title>By: KOPP</title>
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		<dc:creator>KOPP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is sad that this kind of leadership is what awaits the much loved ANC, Mandela&#039;s party. I blame Thabo Mbeki. He should have avoided this by being a better schemer. South Africa deserves better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is sad that this kind of leadership is what awaits the much loved ANC, Mandela&#8217;s party. I blame Thabo Mbeki. He should have avoided this by being a better schemer. South Africa deserves better.</p>
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		<title>By: jcbrand</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcbrand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 22:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@joe
Please explain why you say that the ANC inherited an economy that had virtually collapsed? 

I&#039;m a white guy in SA and apart from the ANC inheriting a stagnant economy with a lot of dept, I can hardly see how it was &quot;virtually collapsed&quot;. We can look at Zimbabwe for an example of a collapsing economy. Nothing of the sort happened here.

With regards to the skills shortage, it was exacerbated by the (purposefully) inferior bantu education system of the National Party which I believe was one of the most short sighted and damaging mistakes of the previous regime. South Africa is now reaping the fruits of that policy.

With regards to Zuma - assuming he becomes president  - I think the big test will be when his hold on power is threatened. Will he start changing the constitution and implement radical reforms (such as Bob Mugabe) to appease the poor (which will likely ruin SA&#039;s economy), or will he abide by the democratic ideal of a revolving leadership and pass the torch to a successor?

The ideal of limiting the number of terms a leader may serve and ensuring that this is enforced is enormously important for a stable democracy in preventing abuse of power and a possible dictatorship. Sadly this has been neglected in many African states with dire consequences. 

To again refer to Zimbabwe, if Bob Mugabe was forced to step down after two terms and make way for a successor, we might not have had the economic meltdown in Zim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@joe<br />
Please explain why you say that the ANC inherited an economy that had virtually collapsed? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a white guy in SA and apart from the ANC inheriting a stagnant economy with a lot of dept, I can hardly see how it was &#8220;virtually collapsed&#8221;. We can look at Zimbabwe for an example of a collapsing economy. Nothing of the sort happened here.</p>
<p>With regards to the skills shortage, it was exacerbated by the (purposefully) inferior bantu education system of the National Party which I believe was one of the most short sighted and damaging mistakes of the previous regime. South Africa is now reaping the fruits of that policy.</p>
<p>With regards to Zuma &#8211; assuming he becomes president  &#8211; I think the big test will be when his hold on power is threatened. Will he start changing the constitution and implement radical reforms (such as Bob Mugabe) to appease the poor (which will likely ruin SA&#8217;s economy), or will he abide by the democratic ideal of a revolving leadership and pass the torch to a successor?</p>
<p>The ideal of limiting the number of terms a leader may serve and ensuring that this is enforced is enormously important for a stable democracy in preventing abuse of power and a possible dictatorship. Sadly this has been neglected in many African states with dire consequences. </p>
<p>To again refer to Zimbabwe, if Bob Mugabe was forced to step down after two terms and make way for a successor, we might not have had the economic meltdown in Zim.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the ANC inherited an economy that  had virtually collapsed. and also KE the reaosn many african found jobs in SA was because of white flight many white left SA fearing black rule. - despite poor education in SA SA still has a large educated black middle class and skillled  work force relative to many african countries. Skill shortages reflect the economy and receovery from the latter stages of apartheied when the youth were heavily involved in the struggle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the ANC inherited an economy that  had virtually collapsed. and also KE the reaosn many african found jobs in SA was because of white flight many white left SA fearing black rule. &#8211; despite poor education in SA SA still has a large educated black middle class and skillled  work force relative to many african countries. Skill shortages reflect the economy and receovery from the latter stages of apartheied when the youth were heavily involved in the struggle</p>
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